IT'S A MESS!

Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:16 am

What's a living wage for Bill Gates?

I don't need any more than a steenking sombrero, gringo! I've been had by experts.
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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:26 pm

Lin it would depend on whether you nominated the actual Bill Gates or you nominated a Bill Gates...who just might need a salary, you know, to pay for groceries or a good book for his kids... study

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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:04 pm

I would propose a reality check for anyone seeking public office.

They would have to spend two years with no income, living on the streets with no help from family or friends. Many of these politicians claim to be 'normal' folks like the rest of us, but I bet none of them have ever wondered how they were going to pay the rent, or where their next meal would come from.

It would do them all good, and maybe they would have compassion for those around them. Maybe they would even be able to balance their checkbooks!!
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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:18 pm

You're right Zada,
most politicians have never held a regular job. They don't know what it's like to struggle to make a living. They all come under that security blanket provided by the government. Good health care,a guaranteed pension, etc. These are the people who make decisions about things they know little or nothing about. And who's to blame? We are. We should not vote for anyone who cannot understand the worker. We usually put rich people into office who will protect their way of life and provide security to their other rich friends. They are power-hungry people who will say or do whatever is needed to get the job, and once they have it, they will do what they want. That's where accountability would help.
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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:17 am

I'm not talking about anybody hurting for money. My whole point would be to have presidents who actually know how to lead people to success. Find 'em, cut 'em out, draft 'em and make 'em turn things around.
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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:40 pm

Lin, my point is that those who have not come from 'common' people who have had to scratch for a living, have no idea what their laws and rules do to the 'common' man. They only know how it affects them.

There is also the argument that those who have very little might be much more corruptible by money coming in from big business and lobbies that have the $ to buy support.

Gone are the days when it was an honor to hold ofice in this country. Now it is just another job. A well paid, benefit packed job. And once you are in, you are basically in, with lifetime benefits.

I would not be at all surprised to see a revolution by the people of the US against their government in my own lifetime. Although I would never support acts of aggression by the people, I would certainly understand it. I know many who are angry enough to be involved in something like that.
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I don't know about a revolution, because the government controls most of the firepower of the country, and I don't think they would hesitate to use it. Especially when the people doing the revolting are the poor, the weak and the disenfranchised. The people who run this country don’t need us, they don’t want us, they don’t think we are good for anything except to perform the lowest manual labor, and they would kill us all without hesitation.

There is something else that I have been giving some thought to lately, and preparing for, just in case.

First scenario.
Obama loses to Hillary and is not picked as the Democrat nominee.

Second scenario.
Obama beats Hillary, becomes the Democrat's nominee, and then gets beat by McCain in the general election.

Third scenario.
Obama beats McCain in the general election, becomes the President, and some crazed Booth or Oswald comes out of the woodwork and assassinates him.

If either of the above scenarios come to pass, and the fact is that at least one of them will have to, I think there is a good chance that there will be widespread riots, destruction of property, many deaths, and terror in the streets of almost every city in America. I think there will be fighting in the streets or neighborhoods everywhere, and it’s almost a certainty that martial law will be declared. However, with so many of our national guard in Iraq, I wonder if there will be enough left to prevent or control the situation. I don’t think anyone will be safe, and to me it is a wise thing to begin making preparations as soon as possible. By the way, that guy in the line ahead of you stockpiling food and buying ammunition will be me.

Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:52 pm

Don, I have already done my shopping. What took you so long? Laughing

Is it any wonder the politicians want our guns? Shocked

I think they are preparing as well.
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Zada, I didn't take so long to get ready, just to announce it.

I think you're right, they are preparing, and they know it's coming. Think I'll hold on to my sidearm(s), long guns, and hunting knives just in case.

Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:28 pm

I'm with you, Don. I am not giving up anything!!
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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:40 pm

Don,
to my knowledge, America is the only country on earth where citizens own so many guns. The firepower available would frighten most leaders. Regardless how we try to ignore it, revolution is not out of the question. When people have had enough, they will eventually do something about it. And with the way things are going, it should be taken seriously.
I started listening to a speech by the notorious leader of the not so free world, where he's trying to blame congress for all the economic woes. I got so pi..ed, I had to turn it off.
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Abe, I agree that times are ripe for a revolution, and I may not even be opposed to one, but whichever side controls the military is going to come out on top. True, there could be a lot of damage inflicted, but a revolution could not be won on the firepower of the people alone. I have handguns and shotguns and a hunting rifle, and I'm a better than average shot with each of them. On top of that I don't mind fighting for what I believe in, and will shoot at other people to protect my family and my life. But I don't think my side could win a revolution. I think all that would happen would be a lot of people killed, the government become even more solidly entrenched as the weapon of the haves, and the result would be not unlike a complete military slave state.

I don't think the common man will ever have another chance in this country. Ordinary wages can't purchase homes, send kids to college, or live like Americans want to live. The American Dream has become attainable by only a handful, and the rest of us are left to do without food, shelter, medicine, or health care. The gap grows between the haves and have nots grows wider every day, and it will stay that way. The only people who really want to see things change are those that can't earn enough to get by. The rest are content with the status quo. Sadly, the ones who need the change the most are the ones with the least amount of power to bring about that change.

So, while we need a revolution, I think the ones with the money and the power are going to continue doing as they please, and the rest of us are going to continue fighting their wars and doing without the basic necessities of living.

Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:51 am

Sometimes the threat of revolt can cause needed change. I'm surprised that one of the candidates hasn't taken a more forceful approach to the "needing change" theme. It has become too much of a political slogan without sincerity/belief. A candidate that could demonstrate that he/she would take the bull by the horns and make things happen would certainly connect with many people. I'm not talking about going to war with a foreign power but going to war with the enemy within. Doing what is right takes courage. Doing what is convenient anyone can do.
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Subject: Re: IT'S A MESS! Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:37 am

I'm afraid that the people in power have gotten so complacent that it will take more than a 'threat of revolt' to shake them up enough to start doing their jobs. They are ensconced in their cocoons of protection and feeling above the rest of the world.
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