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P. Gordon Kennedy Four Star Member


Age : 20 Joined : 13 Jan 2008 Posts : 473 Location : Crystal Falls, Michigan
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 5:30 am | |
| | E. Don Harpe wrote: | | Elf, both songs you named qualify, as does all of the ridiculous noise called "Heavy Metal" "Hip Hop" and "Rap," and anything by Shania Twain. |
Yes Indeed, Hip-Hop & Rap = Garbage.
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|  | | lin Four Star Member


Joined : 20 Mar 2008 Posts : 646 Location : Mexico
 | |  | | Shelagh Admin


Joined : 11 Jan 2008 Posts : 1780 Location : UK
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 8:46 am | |
| | E. Don Harpe wrote: | Malcom, maybe what Shelagh is saying is that the agent you're trying to attract should be your audience, because unless you give him or her something he or she likes, the chances are very slim that they will sign you.
As to how some books make it to the market, that's something most of us will never understand. I know I won't, just as I never understood how some "hit" songs ever got recorded. |
We seem to be on the same wave length.
| Phil Whitley wrote: | What if William Shakespeare had to go through the editors we deal with today?
"Uhhh, Bill, you have a potentially great story here, and I really like the catchy ending - but you've GOT to do something about all those thees, thous, harks and forsooths. An alas now and again is okay, but try to keep them to a minimum." |
LOL Brew! Will Shakespeare invented most of the words in the English language! At the time, Elizabeth and the rest of the royal court conversed mainly in French and Latin:
| Quote: | | Elizabeth was taught a range of different lessons as part of a standard curriculum for the royal children. Her studies included languages, grammar, theology, history, rhetoric, logic, philosophy, arithmetic, logic, literature, geometry, and music. She was also taught religious studies. Great attention was given to the study of languages. Roger Ascham’s most widely known and accepted educational device was the art of double translation. Roger Ascham wrote that Elizabeth developed a style that
" grows out of the subject; chaste because it is suitable, and beautiful because it is clear [...] Her ears are so well practised in discriminating all these things and her judgement is so good, that in all Greek, Latin, and English compositions there is nothing so loose on the one hand or so concise on the other which she does not immediately attend to, and either reject with disgust or receive with pleasure as the case may be."
The daily lessons were divided into the morning lesson and the afternoon lesson. Cicero and Livy were closely studied. By the age of eleven Elizabeth was able to speak fluently in six languages - French, Greek, Latin, Spanish, Welsh and of course English. Ascham praised Elizabeth for her aptitude in learning languages and her retentive memory.
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http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/education-queen-elizabeth-i.htm
| Quote: | | The number of words used in the Elizabethan Language were constantly developing during Elizabethan times - their vocabulary was expanding. The average number of words used in a 'commoners' vocabulary during Elizabethan times was less than 500, compared with at least 7,500 words that are used in modern day English. Elizabethan writers and playwrights invented new words. William Shakespeare invented many of the words that he used in his plays. Shakespeare is credited with contributing more new words to the English language than any other single person - approx 2,000! |
http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/elizabethan-language.htm _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/ |
|  | | Pam Five Star Member


Age : 42 Joined : 02 Feb 2008 Posts : 1212 Location : Nova Scotia, Canada
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 11:35 am | |
| Phil that's hilarious, and to top it off you are quite probably right! I was tol dby an English teacher that Shakespeare invented my name (Pamela) although there is some debate since other sources say it was a 16th C poet named Sir Philip Sidney. No matter what, it's fun to look back and see how the language has evolved and continues to do so.
Like creating language, there are a lot of things we do not control about writing. Agents, publishers are just a few of those. I think it really comes back to being very good at what you do, and working smarter rather than harder really helps. _________________ Pam Robertson  http://andthebandplayedonmylawn.blogspot.com |
|  | | Shelagh Admin


Joined : 11 Jan 2008 Posts : 1780 Location : UK
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 11:54 am | |
| Is working smarter more politically correct than working hard? Can we no longer say that hard work pays off because it will upset lazy people who think they should have everything without working for it. Do you watch The Apprentice? Alan Sugar likes smart people but if they don't work hard... http://www.bbc.co.uk/apprentice/ _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/ |
|  | | rainbow689 Four Star Member


Age : 57 Joined : 15 Apr 2008 Posts : 403 Location : Laredo TX
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 12:47 pm | |
| It all goes to show nobody has the faintest idea what will work or what won't so keep plugging away thee might forsooth be the next squire or squiress who really brings home the ...did Bacon really write Shakespeare?  _________________ Welcome Earthlings http://fly.to/rainbow689 |
|  | | E. Don Harpe Four Star Member


Joined : 17 Jan 2008 Posts : 203
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 2:50 pm | |
| At a place where I used to work there was a 20 foot ramp that had a incline going from one floor to the next in the warehouse. Parts for the assembly lines had to be put on hand pushed carts and carried from the warehouse to the assembly line, and the loaded carts had to be pushed up the ramp. When loaded the carts weighed over 200 pounds and on level surfaces they were no problem to push. On the ramp, however, pushing became a bit more difficult.
A friend of mine, a co-worker, was quite proud of his strength, and loved to talk about how he didn't have any problem pushing the carts up the ramp. One morning some of us were standing around with a large cart, and this morning I grew a bit tired of his bragging. We had the following conversation, while the others listened. And, as it turned out, learned.
"I can push the cart up the ramp with only one hand," he said, impling that he was a lot stronger than the rest of us.
"One hand," I said. "You mean you can push the cart all the way to the top of the ramp with only one hand."
"I sure can."
"Tell you what," I said. "I think I'm as strong as you are, and I'll bet you a coke that if you can push the cart up the ramp with only one hand, I do it using nothing but my head."
"You're going to push it up with just your head," he said. "OK, you've got a bet."
He positioned himself behind the cart, grabbed the handle with his right hand, and with a few mighty shoves and some huffing and puffing he managed to get the cart to the very top of the ramp. He wiped the sweat from his eyes and looked at me.
"There," he said. "I got it over here with just one hand. Now let's see you get it over here with just your head."
I grinned. "I just did," I told him. "I used my head to get you to push it up for me. Let's go to the break room, I believe you owe me a coke."
He was working hard, I was working smart.
Nothing to do with being politically correct, just with managing the situation rather than allowing the situation to manage me. |
|  | | Shelagh Admin


Joined : 11 Jan 2008 Posts : 1780 Location : UK
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 3:49 pm | |
| You outsmarted him, which he probably deserved.
I wouldn't have asked him to prove it. I would have said, "Okay, if you can push the cart with one hand, we'll double the size of the carts and we'll get the job done in half the time."
That way you work hard and save time. There really is no substitute for hard work, which is different to feeling that you are working hard because you are working long hours. _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/ |
|  | | E. Don Harpe Four Star Member


Joined : 17 Jan 2008 Posts : 203
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 4:27 pm | |
| Doubling the size of the carts would have meant that we needed a fork lift to move them. More expense all the way around. Besides, the corridor between the two buildings wasn't large enough for a double sized cart or load. Not to mention that there wasn't enough storage room at the assembly line work stations for a double sized load. What you say sounds good on the surface, but in fact wouldn't have worked in real life. Believe it or not, there's a lot of things that fit into that category.
Hard work is nothing to be ashamed of, and will always be needed. However, I've found that if one can accomplish the same thing without the sweat and effort, it's better to do so. I spent the majority of my 45 plus year working career as a mid level or higher manager, and found that in every instance smart work gets more done than hard work. |
|  | | Shelagh Admin


Joined : 11 Jan 2008 Posts : 1780 Location : UK
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 5:40 pm | |
| "Hard work is nothing to be ashamed of, and will always be needed."
I agree.
"...in every instance smart work gets more done than hard work."
...but the smartest people are the hardest workers. I'm not saying that just working hard will reap rewards. I'm saying that just being smart and not working hard isn't enough.
Last summer, after shopping in the early evening, I drove home from town while listening to an arts programme on the radio. Melvin Bragg's guest was a fairly successful, though not household name, author. She said that her friends and relatives envied her success but they weren't willing to make the effort she had made to become successful. She said they all wanted the same amount of free time they had from working in their day jobs, whereas she (not quite literally) burned the midnight oil and had little free time to do anything other than write.
After putting the children to bed, instead of watching television or reading a good book, she would sit for hours writing and rewriting and doing everything she had to do to become successful. She found it very irritating that her friends would say how lucky she was and they wished that they had the guts to write and be published. She knew they never would but it didn't stop them being envious. _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/ |
|  | | lin Four Star Member


Joined : 20 Mar 2008 Posts : 646 Location : Mexico
 | |  | | Pam Five Star Member


Age : 42 Joined : 02 Feb 2008 Posts : 1212 Location : Nova Scotia, Canada
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 10:38 pm | |
| Working smarter and working hard are not mutally exclusive. I know that as my skills develop, I can work less because I do things more effectively than I once did, and that leaves me time to do more things, or simply sit on my laurels.
I don't think that smartest people are necessarily the hardest workers at all. I've met plenty of people who were smart at certain things, but didn't care to do one lick of work.
Thomas Jefferson is quoted as having said something to the effect that "I don't believe in luck. The harder I work the luckier I get." Shelagh, that author you heard interviewed knew she had to work hard to get where she wanted, but the benefit is that you learn as you go and by not repeating your mistakes, or in learning to do things better, hopefully you do become smarter about what you do.
I agree that smart work can get more done than hard work. I am looking forward to sitting on my laurels outside this evening and smellin' the magnolia blossoms.  _________________ Pam Robertson  http://andthebandplayedonmylawn.blogspot.com |
|  | | E. Don Harpe Four Star Member


Joined : 17 Jan 2008 Posts : 203
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 10:48 pm | |
| "...but the smartest people are the hardest workers."
Shelagh, I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. If it were, ditch diggers would be running the world, but it's never going to happen. |
|  | | Shelagh Admin


Joined : 11 Jan 2008 Posts : 1780 Location : UK
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 11:32 pm | |
| Any success I am presently enjoying isn't because I'm smarter than anyone else. Not many would argue that I work harder than most of the people I meet.
I'm not here because I'm trying to make money. I have other goals and ambitions I'm striving for. I'm nearing those goals because of the work I'm putting in. I couldn't do it any other way.
You are telling me that there are smarter people than me who can succeed by working less hard. Good luck to them.
As for shovelling dirt, my father has loaded hundreds of ten ton trucks to earn a living as a haulage contrator. My uncle used to tell me how my dad had a shovel that was twice as big as anyone else's and he worked at twice the rate. My dad used to work 48 hour shifts in the summertime and sleep in the cab of the truck rather than lose a contract. He's a wealthy man now (on paper) and deserves every penny of it. Try telling him that he should have worked smarter. You think you are smarter but you have less to show for your way of working than my father does. _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/ |
|  | | rainbow689 Four Star Member


Age : 57 Joined : 15 Apr 2008 Posts : 403 Location : Laredo TX
 | Subject: Re: Confessions of a semi-successful author Mon May 26, 2008 11:51 pm | |
| The Chinese have a saying, 'Get a lazy man to do a job as he'll do it quicker than anyone so he has more time to be lazy!' Ah-So! ok so you'll have to visualise squinty eyes behind the shades! _________________ Welcome Earthlings http://fly.to/rainbow689 |
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